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  Trump assassination attempt??

  by Diogenesister in

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  it happened at a rally in pennsylvania, apparently.

  he seems ok i've seen a photo of him bleeding from his ear.

  this is absolutely nutso....if it's too it doesn't surprise me the way they constantly describe him as "far right" and that his supporters are "maga republicans".

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  Democratic leaders and their supporters in the media have been calling for violence for years. Here's a few examples:

  https://x.com/i/status/1812542729064444273
  
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  The Greatest Christian Doctrine

  by Sea Breeze in

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  the wt likes to quote ad infinitum that the central doctrine of the christian faith is the trinity.

  they quote some catholic sources, yadda, yadda, yadda.

  it is a great misdirection.

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  @Pronger1
  
  Calling people ignorant and trash is well... ignorant and trashy. Please comment on the topic of Substitution or shut the hell up.
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  Has The "Evil Slave" Died Out?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  those of us who have deep roots into watchtower remember the shadowy whispers about "the evil slave" when we were kids.. for those that need to get up to speed: .

  the internal crisis came to its full with the occurrence of an outstanding bible-predicted event, namely, the coming of jehovah’s “messenger,” christ jesus, to jehovah’s temple for judgment in the spring of 1918, to separate the “faithful and discreet slave” class from the “evil slave” group.

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  @ BM

  Agree, all anyone has to do is read it to know that it is a hypothetical scenario meant for individual introspecion.
  
  
  
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  The Rapture

  by Sea Breeze in

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  when i was pioneering, i don't remember ever addressing the rapture question.

  does anyone know how a jw would respond to this verse?

  for the lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of god.

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  @Pronger1

  So, according to you - New Jerusalem descending to earth is literal but meeting Jesus in the air like scriptures says is symbolic. And, anyone who disagrees with your ability to know which verses are literal and which ones are symbolic is "ignorant".
  
  This style of hermeneutics sounds familiar for some reason.
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  Members of congregation know it’s not true

  by Mikejw in

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  2. experiences

  we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.

  i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.

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  Just think what would happen if all the members who know it's not true decided to leave regardless of the repercussions.
  
  I think the WT would experience a 50% loss and the WT probably couldn't survive that. So, it's really a lack of character and fear that keeps the whole charade going.
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  The Rapture

  by Sea Breeze in

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  when i was pioneering, i don't remember ever addressing the rapture question.

  does anyone know how a jw would respond to this verse?

  for the lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of god.

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  I wonder what the old "understanding" was?
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  Has The "Evil Slave" Died Out?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  those of us who have deep roots into watchtower remember the shadowy whispers about "the evil slave" when we were kids.. for those that need to get up to speed: .

  the internal crisis came to its full with the occurrence of an outstanding bible-predicted event, namely, the coming of jehovah’s “messenger,” christ jesus, to jehovah’s temple for judgment in the spring of 1918, to separate the “faithful and discreet slave” class from the “evil slave” group.

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  I wholeheartedly agree Kerry. But my question is that if both are prophecies (which we know they are not) but going along with the WT fiction, how can the evil slave die out but the faithful slave hasn't?
  
  Are they going to have a new "evil slave class" like the king of the north" donkey doo doo they pedaled for years?
  
  - Sea Breeze from the "Can't Get It Off My Shoe Class".
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  Has The "Evil Slave" Died Out?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  those of us who have deep roots into watchtower remember the shadowy whispers about "the evil slave" when we were kids.. for those that need to get up to speed: .

  the internal crisis came to its full with the occurrence of an outstanding bible-predicted event, namely, the coming of jehovah’s “messenger,” christ jesus, to jehovah’s temple for judgment in the spring of 1918, to separate the “faithful and discreet slave” class from the “evil slave” group.

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  Sea Breeze

  Those of us who have deep roots into Watchtower remember the shadowy whispers about "the evil slave" when we were kids.

  For those that need to get up to speed:
  
  

  The internal crisis came to its full with the occurrence of an outstanding Bible-predicted event, namely, the coming of Jehovah’s “messenger,” Christ Jesus, to Jehovah’s temple for judgment in the spring of 1918, to separate the “faithful and discreet slave” class from the “evil slave” group. (Mal. 3:1-3; Matt. 24:43-51, NW) The cleavage between the two groups became more evident after the opponents’ failure to gain their ends at the 1918 corporation meeting. After that January meeting the opposition leaders remained in Pittsburgh to form a separate organization headed by what they called a “Committee of seven.”k By Memorial time, March 26, 1918, the separation had become irreconcilable, as the opposers chose to celebrate the death of Christ apart from the Society’s faithful congregations.

  It had been the Society’s usual practice to publish a partial report of the Memorial attendance as sent to the Society by congregations in this land and abroad, but due to the 1918 disturbances, both internally and externally, the attendance figures were not gathered. However, in 1917 the partial report of the Memorial (April 5) showed 21,274 in attendance as associates of the Society. By 1919 Memorial time (April 13), according to partial report showing attendance of 17,961, it became evident that a minority of less than four thousand had ceased to walk with their faithful former associates.l From this time of separation the “evil slave” group came into further internal disagreements and divisions among themselves. Eventually several other small dissentient groups tried to establish themselves but, after brief existence, disappeared.

  In the latter half of 1917 the faithful forefront preachers of the “discreet slave” class energetically took up distribution of The Finished Mystery, for within seven months the Society’s outside printers were busy on the 850,000 edition. “The sale of the Seventh Volume is unparalleled by the sale of any other book known, in the same length of time, excepting the Bible.”a Not only did this book crystallize the opposition of the “evil slave” class, as already indicated, but it also brought forth a most bitter reaction of the clergy in many parts of Christendom. (w55 4/1 p. 205-206)

  The evil slave class (supposedly fortold in the bible) refers to those who didn't go along with Rutherford during his corporate takeover.
  
  So my question is: Has the Evil Slave died out? If they have, why hasn't the FD&S died out as well?
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  The Rapture

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  when i was pioneering, i don't remember ever addressing the rapture question.

  does anyone know how a jw would respond to this verse?

  for the lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of god.

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  They did offer that it 'could' be that the annointed still alive prior to Armageddon could be taken to heaven all at once

  I do remember someone posting something about that here on JWN fairly recently, in the past few years, So, it seems that the WT is allowing for a rapture of sorts ... only for those claiming to be of the 144K of course.
  
  I don't really see how they could outright deny it. The verse is very clear... we will "meet the Lord in the air". Trying to symbolize something that clear is probably too risky.
  
  
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  The Rapture

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was pioneering, i don't remember ever addressing the rapture question.

  does anyone know how a jw would respond to this verse?

  for the lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of god.

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  When I was pioneering, I don't remember ever addressing the rapture question. Does anyone know how a JW would respond to this verse?

  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. - 1 Thess. 4